Eagle badges and medals are being sent back to the Boy Scouts of America to protest its reaffirmation of its policy to not grant membership to open gays, according to a boston.com article.
According to a national blog chronicling the protests, about 150 Eagle Scouts have mailed back their awards as of Sunday.
The Boy Scouts of America have confirmed that medals and badges have been returned, according to the boston.com piece.
What do you think? Should gays be allowed to join the Boy Scouts? Should medals and badges be sent back? Sound in our comments below.
George
1:20 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I am an Eagle Scout. A part of what makes me proud of the achievement is the knowledge that what I had to do was based on a strict set of criteria that was fairly applied to everyone. Anyone who attained their merit badges and performed their duties were held to the same standards. It does not matter when someone completed their task or where. I know that any Eagle Scout I meet has accomplished exactly what I have. I accept an individual based on their behavior and accomplishments. As long as they adhere to the Boy Scout Creed and 12 values I will welcome them. Being Fair and Kind are my guides.
Joe
1:45 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
What exactly is your point, if there is indeed a point?
EHM
1:13 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Exactly! "A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent" He doesn't need to be heterosexual.
(And Joe, try reading George's post again, especially the last three sentences.)
Curtis
2:07 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
BSA excludes gays on the basis that the presence of gays in BSA will interfere with an expressed message regarding sexuality. Yet BSA has no expressed message regarding sexuality. A recent press release states "Scouting believes same-sex attraction should be introduced and discussed outside of its program".
BSA cannot claim protection for an expression that it never expresses! The 2000 Supreme Court decision is based on the fact that BSA has a message regarding sexuality. If BSA's current policy is to have no message regarding sexuality, the basis for the 2000 is removed and BSA has no legal basis to exclude gays.
Casey Meserve
4:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I think George has a great point: your sexual preference doesn't matter, what matters is your actions.
Curtis
9:38 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
That is a tricky distinction to make sometimes. BSA would argue that they don't discriminate based on sexual preference, they only discriminate based on inappropriate actions, like like making a public statement that you are gay.
The problem with that position is that it treats gay and straight members differently, and requires gay Scouts to live a secret life. A straight Scout leader can bring his partner to a Scout event, a gay Scout cannot. A straight Scout can talk about a vacation he took with his family, a gay Scout cannot.
On the surface, BSA claims they only discriminate based on actions, not based on sexual attraction. But in practice, BSA's policy is a blanket ban on any gay living a regular, healthy life, even when their actions are no different than the actions of a straight scout.
Peter J.
6:42 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I'm an Eagle and earned my rank through hard work and dedication. BSA never endoctrinated me with discrimination toward anyone. While there were mandatory videos about sexual education and abuse and drug abuse, there were never any presentations or propaganda that instructed told me to discriminate against anyone and there certainly were no badges for it either. In light of recent events, I stated to my wife and some gay friends that I was going to return my badge to the national headquarters after I revoked my National Eagle Scout Association membership and asked the local Council to remove me from mailings for events and solicitations. It was and is a very difficult decision to make to disassociate myself from an organization that has helped me to become who I am. What make it more difficult is eventually telling my now five year old son that we are not going to allow him to be a Boy Scout because we don't want to associate ourselves with discrimination; he constantly talks about being a Boy Scout when he's older because we also have a nine year old Girl Scout and he knows of my being a Boy Scout. In researching the return of my badge, I found the website scoutingforall.org. They have suggested that men retain their badges since they were earned in earnest. However, they also stated that if men were intent on returning them in protest of recent events, they would be glad to take them and retain them until the current policies change. I hope some policy chages are made.
Casey Meserve
9:23 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Thanks for sharing Peter.
EHM
1:41 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
This was something I've struggled with ever since my son joined Scouts. He also had an older sister in Girl Scouts. I let him join, he's grown so much from it, and other than that policy I've found it to be a much better program than Girl Scouts.
But he understands and disagrees with their policy. His comment about their latest ruling was, "They didn't ask me!" I have hopes that he’ll be vocal in the future if Scouts ever consider asking their ranks what they think, and it will help bring about a change.
There have been gay Eagle Scouts in his troop. I don't know if anyone knew they were gay while they were in the troop, but in our country it's still not common for a gay kid to reveal this while in school either.
But it's so sad that they HAVE to hide this in Scouting. From what I've seen in other forums, for some reason it also seems that many people think the opposite of hiding your sexuality is advertising and promoting it. And even more ridiculous, if they let people know they're gay suddenly they'll be hitting on all the other boys and trying to “indoctrinate” then. (One person kept bringing up showers, which was hilarious in that my son has never been at a Scout camp with communal showers, but they do have them in his school’s gym.)
But many heterosexual boys "advertise" that they're attracted to girls and that's perfectly fine...
lulu
8:25 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
beautifully written peter & george!! :)
i was feeling, what you both shared... ty!
Michael R. Landers
10:42 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
As a former scout(nearly made Eagle) and a long tme supporter of the rights of all, I am appalled at the BSA to exclude anyone from the program. That being said, there has and continues to be a high moral expectation by the admistrators of the program. They should live up to their own training and accept ALL young men who want to learn the skills of Scouting. Perhaps they should police their own ranks and rout out pediphiles amongst their leadership and support the rights of all 11 year old kids to share in the comradery, trust and values and not ignore that own leadership values because of their inherant homophobia.
EHM
2:01 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
They do have mandatory "Youth Protection Training" that every registered adult is needs to take every two years, and part of that reminds them that they should NEVER be alone with a Scout (other than their own kid). No one-on-one contact and separate accommodations for adults. New leaders also get background checks.
That being said, it is then up to the other adults in the troop to make sure that these rules are followed. Also, they need to realize they need to follow those rules ALL the time unless it’s a true emergency.
I heard about a parent who decided to take her son and his tent mate into her car to sleep because it was raining and clearly colder than she expected. Nothing bad happened to the other kid that night, but the rest of the troop had no way of anticipating this happening and therefore didn't find out about it until morning. Yes, they did talk to the parent about this.
Norman B Pierce
4:34 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Most chapters around the Plymouth area I imagine do not support the BSA's policy of no gay scouts or scout leaders- yet they are part of the larger organization. I remember going to Bowdoin College in the 50's where the fraternities were "white Christian". Even though this policy was not supported by the College, it was accepted passsively. A difficult situation to think through. My decision at the time was to lead my fraternity out of the national association.
Here's where the rubber may hit the road: the boy scouts are given the right to use various school properties, for a fee, I assume, the same as the girl scouts, putting the Town of Plymouth in the business of supporting a local group that is part of a no-gays national group. I'm not sure that is legal, but it is an interesting dilemma.
Remember, as long as gay scouts and gay and lesbian scout leaders are willing to lie and hide their identity, they can participate. That's what they are teaching all scouts by default, non?
Mary Ann Hergenrother, Ed.D.
3:45 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
The BSA policy of no gay scouts or leaders exists in sharp contrast to the Girl Scouts of America diversity and inclusion policies and practices. Moreover, the BSA policy, in contrast to its stated principles of being "....trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind... ", supports discrimination which feeds a culture of bullying, hatred and violence against gays. Recently, we have read of reported suicides and homicides of young gay men and lesbians. Is this really a policy to stand by?