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TELL US: Who Won the Presidential Debate: Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?

President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney meet again for their third and final debate in election 2012.

 

President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney met Monday night at Lynn University in  Boca Raton, Fla. to debate foreign policy.

Many pundits have likened the three debates between Obama and Romney to a series of boxing matches, with Romney winning the first and the Obama squeaking by with a narrow victory in the second. Patch is asking readers to weigh in on the decision for the third.

Tuesday morning, Patch will have flash survey results from Massachusetts political activists and leaders, both Republican and Democratic.

But right now, what about you: what do you think? Who would you say 'won' this third presidential debate? Tell us in the comments sections below.


 

Related Topics: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, Presidential Debates 2012, and election 2012

Fred Jackson

10:50 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Obama is out of touch and reaching for anything to hold on the Presidency. Romney and Ryan are going to turn this country around. It's not about race, cronies and who you know. It's about the american people. Romney all the way.

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aziz ahmad

10:55 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

President Obama won the debate by at least 10%, period.

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Elaine Shaidi

10:57 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

President Obama won the debate. Romney is a fish out of water when it comes to foreign affairs and is very simplistic in his responses. President Obama knows how to deal with foreign policy, he has experience, leadership and the intelligence needed.

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Ed

10:15 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Obama lacks all of the above.

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Cheryl Pimental

11:19 am on Tuesday, October 30, 2012

I guess we each will always see things differently. Obama knew very little about foreign affairs when he took office. He learned most of what he knows since he took office. His goal is to reduce the US to just another power so that our hope/goals for world peace are just one goal of many large, powerful countries. It reduces our role which would take some pressure off us, but I am not sure it's the role we want. He also wants us to be a socialized nation. We have always been a free-enterprise, capitalistic nation where empowered individuals choose his/her own fate by working hard and going for his/her own dream. I want to keep the dreams alive. Romney will do that; Obama is more anxious to help everyone out no matter what it costs and he believes in trickle down economy....let the rich take care of the poor. I have gone through extremely difficult times.....I saved diligently for them, going without over the years to make sure I didn't need government assistance. We now have a mentality that we can live anyway we want because the government will always bail us out. That's a sad note and a huge turnaround from what our founding fathers envisioned our free nation to look like. There's no freedom in giveaway programs and assistance, just a lack of hope/dreams. Let the freedom our armed service people still fight for mean something for our freedoms. How can he reduce the debt HE caused. We will just get 4 years of the same debt, socialism and power reduction.

Gerd Poppinga

11:29 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Romney is the only one who can get the economy going again not some community organizer.

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Ken Esq

7:30 am on Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Yes, he'll get it going right over to China, India and Mexico like he's done everywhere else.

John H Bunker Sr.

7:56 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I wonder about people sometimes, does it really matter who "Won" the debate? So the silver tongue devil has you drooling again, that's understandable, he is an eloquent speaker. He can spin a lie that makes you want to believe it. I would ask that you shake the echoes of him out of your heads and look over your shoulders at his record for the last four years. One must ask, has he done more harm than good? For people who investigate and research for themselves , and not except what is put out by the main stream media, the answers are obvious. Four more years of his failed policies will be the end of the greatest country on earth. "Dreams of his (communist) father". God help us.

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Chip Coblyn

8:04 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

As a debater you know you won when your opponent is forced to endorse most of your positions. Last night Gov. Romney was forced to agree with virtually every foreign policy goal the President laid out. Of course the Gov. Was attempting to mask the fact that his advisors are largely constituted from GW Bush's neocons.

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Timtruro

8:50 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Romney once again more steady and presidential. Demonstrated that he is capable of being commander in chief. He will restore respect for the US which has been lost under the current appeaser.

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steve auerbach

9:25 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

It's amazing to me how people can watch the same thing and come away with such different impressions.
I tend to agree with Chip Coblyn that most of Gov. Romney's actual positions wound up being very close with those of President Obama, despite Mitt's ridiculous attempts to place the current "tumult" in the Middle East on our doorstep.
Mr. Bunker- your spin is a lot of "bunk". The media has many streams; tell us where you do your "research" to prove that Mr. Obama has done more harm than good?- on the Internet, or, perhaps, on talk radio... both highly reliable sources, you can be sure.

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Susan Larrabee

9:33 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Although it doesn't matter who is in office as it is about Congress (no comment or I'll be here all day). I am neither dem or repub and I feel Romney made a better presentation than Obama. Before the debate a panel member stated something about Romney installing elevators in his CA home for his cars inferring he is out of touch. I would like to remind people this is his "personal" money to do with what he wishes. On the other hand with a world in recession what about Michelle jetting off to Europe with her entourage (at our expense). Then there is the time Barack took Michelle to NYC to a play in Air Force One (at our expense). Who's the one who's really out of touch? I also don't like it that Obama keeps talking about people at the top paying more money because they have it. People are paying taxes based on the tax laws nothing else. I personally don't want to be giving up ANY money I worked for to those who feel I should give them something I have because they want it. Look at all the GENERATIONS of people that have been on welfare. They know how to scam the system as well as people coming into this country ILLEGALLY. Remember the 300+ prisoners who dug their way out of a Mexican jail? I'm sure they are on their way to get their s.s. card and drivers license. If we aren't on our way to Socialism why did one of the FB partners take his money and run to Indonesia and why did GE move to the far east?

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steve auerbach

5:20 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Ms. Larabee,
Yes, people are paying taxes based on the tax laws. Those laws have reduced the rates for the highest brackets many times- compare the rates during the Eisenhower years with the current ones. The wealthy pay a smaller percentage and retain more than ever before, so enough with the crocodile tears for them.
People who need assistance are not trying to take your money. Poor people would rather not be poor, would rather have a job and pay their own way. Where is your research showing that, as you put it, GENERATIONS of people...have been on welfare? I can just picture some poor folks teaching their children how to "scam the system".... only in your uncharitable mind are there such people.

Janice Perry

9:37 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Obama has brought our country to it's knees, we r trillions of $$ in debt, we will be in the same position of Greece. The snide remarks about our navy & bayonets just shows his complacent & smug attitude. He's a showman selling Americans the Brooklyn bridge again. Obuma's mentors r Saul Alinsky & Frank Marshall Davis, COMMUNISTS!!!! Stop & think about it.

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Deanie

11:31 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

VERY TRUE!! He likes the poor so much he let MILLION in Illegally! WHO'S gonna pay for them! There are NO JOBS! All about votes...nothing more for this phony man!

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Patricia

5:54 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

BUSH is the one that left this country's economy circling the bowl in 2008. It was so bad, the financial experts didn't want to tell anyone just how bad it was...that's why none of you understand how well Obama has done getting us out of the mess. No one in Mitt Romney's family has ever served in the military. He doesn't care about it. At least Obama will not put us into another useless WAR and he will make sure our vets are taken care of. Romney sees VA benefits as a handout. And Deanie...most of those immigrants you're talking about have the most drive to get a good education and get a good job and PAY TAXES. We need these people to be our scientists, doctors, inventors--everything. Your parents or grandparents were probably immgrants themselves. I think you'd say that the Irish and Italians, and Greeks, and Germans are all paying their way today. Obama has actually deported more illegal immigrants than Bush did. Get your facts straight.

Menauhant

10:17 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I heard Romney agreeing with a lot of President Obama's policies even on Iran. So what more would Romney do invade and whose sons and daughters would he send there to die? The choice is with Obama you know what you will get a steadily improving life and with Romney you will go back to the issues that created the mess that we are trying to recover from. Nov 6th can't get here soon enough for me please vote for whoever you believe in.

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Robert Haugh

3:09 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I'm a day late on commenting on this site. I just wanted to say, I can't believe there is so much anti Obama sentiment on this site. It surely can't be coming from people who have payed close attention to this campaign. I for one have been following closely, I watched the debates, and I, along with (presumably) everyone else watching witnessed the 180 degree turn in his long held opinions on all major policy issues. I watched in amazement as he claimed as his own, all the positions always held by President Obama, on issues, whether foreign or domestic. I believe I saw that same look of amazement on the Presidents face when he realized the audacity of romney to make such a move, surely, one of desperation. I have less of a problem with romney, than I do with the people who, despite all his lies, deceptions, misrepresentations, and distortions of the truth still think he is fit to occupy the White House. Also, I've never believed the White House was for sale. But this radical group of republicans certainly seems to believe it is, and is willing to spend whatever it takes, on the campaigns of some of the most radical thinking candidates I've ever witnessed, to gain full control of this country. God help the working class if they succeed. God help America if they succeed.

Ed

10:21 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I feel bad for our young people because they are the ones that will feel the wrath of Obama's spending spree down the road. Trillions of dollars and no jobs.

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Deanie

11:29 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Well we have to make sure Obama does NOT get another term or we are ALL in for a very RUDE Awakening of his intentions!!!

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steve auerbach

9:46 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mr. Ed,
As a percentage of GDP, Pres. Bush created a larger deficit than did Pres. Obama. And he did it from a position of surplus, left to him by none other than Bill Clinton. President Obama has had a much more difficult job having inherited-don't deny it- the unemployment and business and housing crash left by his predecessor. We may not be in the greatest shape at the moment, but we're a darn sight better off than we'll be if we return to trickle-down politics.

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Patricia

5:59 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Amen Robert. Ed, Romney will spend more on the military, more on tax cuts, and will not be able to pay for it. He is the one who will run up the deficit. The jobs are there if you have training. Good jobs. But with Romney knocking down Pell grants and trying to turn our education system into another "for profit" company with our kids as the consumers paying the higher prices.

Deanie

11:27 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Obama was rude, glarring & condicending & his facts were not correct. Remember..Obama had NO experience in foreign policy AT ALL and his policies are a failure!! The Arab Spring is turning into a nightmare...but the MSM keeps it quiet!! I'm upset Romney did not hit Obama on Libia HARD, but he has his stradgedy I'm sure. Besides...the economy is primary and that is what he will do very well! Obama wants to keep SPENDING and continue destroying the USA! Obama is for GOV. control of everything!!! Romney makes things happen....Obama makes things UP!

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OllieD

3:31 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

There you go again Deanie with false statements. President Obama, while a senator in the US Senate was an active member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Ever hear of them? Check. Now please give me an example of Romney's experience with the foreign governments besides his work as a missionary in Paris, France. Boy, that must have been rough.

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steve auerbach

9:54 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Deanie, Deanie, you still need to calm down. Do you remember who was President when the Marine barracks in Lebanon were destroyed and 241 young Americans were killed? Oh, that's right. It was that great President, Mr. Reagan. This sort of awful business has been going on for a very long time.
I read the papers. Somehow the stories about the Arab Spring and its aftermath are still being told in the MSM (I get it). And it's all Mr. Obama's fault!!!!! If we had a real man, a real American in the White House, we'd show 'em who's boss, wouldn't we, Deanie.

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Patricia

6:04 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

I consider it quite rude and arrogant of Romney to think he can win an election by telling outright lies to the American people. When the rich and their big companies make more money, THEY KEEP IT. Period. They do not hire more people. INVESTING in America, in OUR infrastructure, military, training, education WILL make America great.

Martha Magee

2:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Your perception creates your reality

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malcolm nichols

2:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The President needs to provide LEADERSHIP and DIRECTION. It has become clear that Obama has no intent on providing either. Get out of the way!!!!

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OllieD

3:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

The President has had a constant foreign relations policy for years, and has been working on same. Part time Governor Romney (absent last two years) seemed to have changed his neocon positions of yesterday to become more in the center. Gee, he changes on a dime depending upon who his audience is. Bet the Tea Party can't be too happy with his new "Obama" foreign policy as he agreed again and again with what Obama is doing.

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Patricia

4:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Romney is the "silver tongued devil". He's an opportunist that has NO IDEA what a president does day to day. He just wants to be President because his Dad never made it that far ...and oh yeah, Ann wants to redecorate the White House. R&R are empty suits that will be told what to do by the same people aho told W. what to do...and we all want the economy circling the bowl again, right? These guys look good...but they're just well-healed used car salesmen.

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Patricia

4:20 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

So touched that Romney is now so concerned about women's rights in foreign countries...and in building up the infrastructure in the Middle East, since he's not interested in any of these things for the US

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Laura Burton

10:04 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

noone won... I don't like either of them, and really am not happy about the choices, or where it will lead us in the future :-/

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J Mac

10:26 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I am encouraged to see that some S.E. Mass. residents can actually think outside the Lefty Liberal box that is so prevalent here. The Obama administration figured out a long time ago that 50% of the voters out there will vote for a cool sound byte,or catch phrase. Some of you out there probably cast your vote in 2008 for Hopey/Changey because you liked how it sounded,and thought it might work. We now know it not only did not work,but failed almost entirely. Before you vote on Nov. 6, please go out and seek the facts,not the dribble being force fed to us by the Liberal media mob.

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Patricia

6:07 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

And the American people figured out that Romney doesn't care about 47% of the country and so he didn't need to bother with their votes.

OllieD

11:42 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

J. Mac -
Only one thing about that "Lefty Liberal box" you write about. Because of it, your vote for President won't count as Massachusetts will give its electrical votes, by a very large popular vote, to Obama. And as far as the "Liberal media mob." How about the Herald, the NY Daily News, the NY Post, Wall Street Journal, and many, many papers throughout the mid-west, south and west that are conservative. Don't forget Fox News. And I do believe we had what you call the liberal media mob when Bush got his two terms.

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Ed

3:05 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Mr. Steve back on the blame Bush bandwagon. <yawn> What Mr. Steve forgot to mention as all liberal lunatics do is that Bush had to work with a Democratic house. Btw... Clinton, Frank and Dodd started the housing fiasco.

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OllieD

5:48 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Mr. Ed failed to mention that Bush had a Republican Senate and Republican house for four years, or did Mr. Ed forget that. Also, credit default swaps were a product developed during the Bush administration. Whereas the housing bubble had to burst at some time, the great recession was pushed over the edge by the actions of the major banks. Such action as selling to their customers investments that the banks knew were no good and indeed were betting against those same investments. All that without name calling like Mr. Ed likes to do.

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steve auerbach

6:30 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Mr. Ed- While the blame for the housing crisis can be shared by many, the buck stops at the President's desk. The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush inherited surpluses and a reasonably strong economy and by the time he left office, everything was in the tank; while Obama inherited that mess and has been struggling to address it. Mr. Ed excuses Mr. Bush for what occurred during his tenure but blames Mr. Obama for his time in office... not very consistent, Mr. Ed.

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malcolm nichols

4:23 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Delusional, albeit Bush allowed the NINJA loans to continue (A slang term for a loan extended to a borrower with "no income, no job and no assets"). These lending practices were born from Barney Frank and House Banking Committee in the late 90's. Yes, before Bush. Obama should actually be blaming Bill Clinton for the housing crisis and our subsequent economic collapse.

OllieD

4:54 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Malcolm - Another one of those damn facts you all like to ignore. The Republican party, remember them, were the majority party from 1996 to 2000 which, I believe,included the late 90's, so nothing would be passed without Republican, repeat Republican votes. Those same republican votes that have kept Obama from getting anything out of the House like the Jobs Act he wanted. But what the heck, making up your own history and facts is working for your man. Lying and/or making up history is working for Scott Brown too. Perhaps you should read history books instead of listening to Rush.

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malcolm nichols

5:22 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Who was the President 1996-2000, Executive Branch of our country? The point is "You" want to blame everyone else, look in the mirror for your answer. I suppose it could be worse he could be a Kennedy.

Patricia

6:12 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

I'd just like to ask all the females out there, "What about the mothers?" in this pregnancy debate. These mothers with unwanted, life-threatening pregnancies are somebody's baby too! Wake up girls, this Roe v. Wade threat is real. Do you want all the brilliant females you know in the world turned into baby making machines?

GEEZ

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OllieD

6:28 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Gee Malcolm - what is it. Clinton in the White House or the House. Barney Frank and House Banking Committee are the house which at that time had a REPUBLICAN majority,which means the House Banking Committee was under the control of the REPUBLICAN party. Opps, there goes that argument. So since that argument didn't work, why not try Clinton who at that time was a little busy fighting off impeachment. Lets see, who else. Perhaps Carter - you all like to blame him for almost everything which might include climate warming if indeed you believed in it. Hay, how about JFK. There you go, the housing problem which, again was only one part of the depth of the recession, was JFK's doing.

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Menauhant

5:52 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

For 30 years I've heard politicians talking about health care reform and he's the first one to do something about it. The Affordable Care Act removes restrictions on pre-existing conditions, makes health care more affordable for small businesses raises the age at which children can be on their parent's policies removes lifetime caps and more. With the possible exception of insurance execs who would not want these changes?
He ended the war in Iraq and is drawing the war in Afghanistan to a close. Just like he said he would.
He thinks women should have access to free preventative health care. Why is this still an issue?
He believes in equality for all people and signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to help women get equal pay for equal work and the repeal of the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell policy".
He supports education by giving more flexibility to No Child Left Behind (thank you!) and by making college aid more available

He thinks millionaires and billionaires shuld pay their fair share of taxes like the rest of us. Really this is a no brainer, probably why Romney and Brown are against it.
Despite inheriting one of the worst economic messes since the Great Depression he added 2.6 Million private Sector jobs to our economy and indications are that the economy is slowly but steadily improving. to anyone who thinks it's been too slow-don"t you know you can't turn the Titantic around in a day.

I voted for him before and I will vote for him again.

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Rich S.

10:35 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

You guys are fools to believe that Obama's goal with a national health insurance system was purely to meet those challenges of covering pre-existing conditions, making insurance more affordable for small businesses and raising the age (and cost to the policy holder) at which children can be on their parent's policies and so on. That was not Obama's priority. His priority was to get a certain segment of America to pay for a certain segment of Americans (including illegal residents). The cost is going to be astronomical and it is beginning now and will be unbearable by the end of 2014. Obamacare was not the right answer and we are screwed unless someone steps in and redesigns it, fast.

steve auerbach

6:06 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Succinctly put, Menauhant. Why do I suspect that there are many zealous anti-Obama people who dislike him in such extreme fashion at least partly because of his racial background? Or perhaps people watch or listen to extreme right-wing television or radio and take all that garbage as truth?

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J Mac

1:00 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Succinctly put,You are a moron or a trust fund baby. There is no way you worked for anything you have

mark cool

7:33 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Over this year of campaign and through all the 4 years of broken promises, we have struggled through because the little guy has had guts and initiative. It's not owed to the government. It's because of the resourcefulness of Joe citizen.

If there’s one thing that I’ve found in my lifetime, that will knock down the resourcefulness of an individual quickly. That will absolutely bury individual initiative every time – Bureaucracy.

This is why the Obama Concept is so very wrong. The U.S. needs a leader that will nurture self-reliance, not enable abuse. The 47% is only the tip of the 'ice berg' if Obama is re-elected

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Menauhant

11:28 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

As a veteran and member of the 47% of Americans that privileged Mitt does not feel to be worth his time (retired on Medicaid) I resent you referring to me as an abuser. I like the Obama Concept of governing 100% of the people of this country and am ready for four more years of his efforts to improve the life for everybody in the USA.

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J Mac

12:56 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

You sir are not a veteran of any conscience because if you were you would be solidly in the corner of the great men who are trying to restore the USA to a respectable place in this world. Americans have lost there lives to keep this country a great place to live and prosper. Obama is trashing those who fought to keep it this way. I implore you to get off your jaded soap box and think of why you wanted to fight for this great land in the first place.

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Menauhant

2:14 pm on Tuesday, October 30, 2012

I never said that I wanted to fight for this great land. All I said was that I am a veteran. I am not sure how ending the slaughter of our service people in Iraq by getting us out and setting a solid withdrawal plan from Afghanistan to save more lives is trashing those who fought to keep this country a great place to live and prosper. If my time in the service had included serving in either of these war zones I would be thanking President Obama for getting me out of there. In fact I will be thanking him for doing this and a lot more by voting for him a man of conscience on November 6.

steve auerbach

11:56 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

I guess "Mark Cool" is way too young to remember the Depression, when Republican ideals of "self-reliance" literally enabled millions of Americans to suffer in ways unimaginable today. Thank goodness there were enough community-caring people to make the change to the Democrats in '32, and FDR ushered in some of the programs that still help people when they need assistance.
We're all in favor of self-reliance, but it's the nature of the system that some folks do better than others, and that "business" ruthlessly seeks profit, even, at times, at the expense of people. So it becomes the obligation of the government to step in and mitigate the excesses of the system.
No one is wholly self-reliant. That's Ayn Randian fantasy. Whether you get help via tax deductions, public services, student loans, social security, food safety, airport security, financial regulations, road paving and other infrastructure work, schools for your children, unemployment insurance, Medicare, IRAs, etc., etc., the idea is not to eliminate government, but to make it work more smoothly and efficiently.

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J Mac

12:46 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Why dont you just give your check book to the Messiah Obama so he can spend your money more wisely than you, because you clearly dont know any better and want the Govt to redistribute it for you.

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mark cool

6:48 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Steve - Yes/ too young for depression but reverently listened to my grandparents and parents about stories the hardships. As I remember the accounts, your phrase “Thank goodness there were enough community-caring people to make the change to the Democrats in '32” didn’t include the last part (“to make the change to the Democrats in '32”). No, instead the credit was given the communities of caring people. And it’s within this context that you are correct that no one is wholly self-reliant, but you fail (I think) to appreciate that “communities of caring people” began with, and was sustained by self-initiative by those “haves” in the community helping the “have-nots”. And in that context, those afforded a little comfort to get by never forgot, or took for granted those in the community that helped them. It’s absolutely not the OBLIGATION of, as much as it’s the will of it’s democratic people, to have government step in and mitigate/help. It was necessary in ’32, but since, the reliance on government mind-set is the new excess. The last 4 yrs may not have been a depression, but the policy trends in this present administration could replace the “D” word with “oppression”. And that, my friend, kills self-initiative.

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Menauhant

11:24 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Marc Cool could you elaborate on how President Obama has Oppressed the citizens of the USA.
Maybe it was when:
He saved the auto industry to make sure the citizens in the middle of the country would have employment.
Gave gays the right to serve openly in the military.
Or when he passed the National Health Care Law for all American Citizens to have affordable health coverage.
Tightened the rules for the banks and wall street to prevent a repeat of the fraud that created the mess that global economic mess that we are in today.
I could go on and on but your statement of being Oppressed by President Obama is something that I can just not understand.

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btrot66

1:02 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

liberals are less compassionate than conservatives. conservatives give the vast majority of funds to charity.....not liberals. fact.

Menauhant

11:10 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

The National Health Care Law DOES NOT insure undocumented illegal workers. The House bill expressly forbids giving subsidies to those who are in the country illegally.

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Mel Cross

3:50 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

And Omar or Zetuni are exempt? One has a driver's license and the other lives in public housing, with a stat job, guess if your last name is obama those rule/laws don't apply

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btrot66

1:03 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

sure if you can figure out who they are.....but there are millions of them receiving benefits already

steve auerbach

11:35 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

J Mac, I am neither a trust fund baby nor a moron. I worked as a businessman for 25 years to earn what I have, though I am thankful that the GOVERNMENT PROGRAM called Social Security is there to help us out (and NOT PRIVATIZED and thus frittered away). And I ask again, why do you dislike President Obama to such an extreme degree? His policies are a continuation of mainstream (Democrat) policies and are in no way a sudden departure from the norm.
Democrats believe in individual initiative as much as Republicans do. We understand, however, that not all of us will be winners in the game and we see government as one of the means by which to help out. You are under the delusion that "the private sector" is all-knowing and there is no need for regulation or government assistance. Elections seem to swing first one way then the other, depending on which side's propaganda holds sway at a given moment in time.

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J Mac

7:10 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

Steve, I should not have called you a moron. You are clearly intelligent,but how do you not see the black hole of tax payer sponsored individuals who are becoming more and more dependent on "assistance" from our Government. As a successful businessman you cannot possibly tell me that you believe the Government is going to somehow save Social Security, especially if we keep giving out 10 times more than we put in. Democrats are not barren of some good ideas,they just don't know how to pay for any of them..... Oh that is where me and the rest of the working taxpayers come in.

mark cool

2:44 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Menauhant -Ok then.. if it’s understanding you want, let’s review. Let’s not forget, Bush’s decision to use $17.6 billion in TARP money in December 2008 to keep General Motors and Chrysler afloat. (I still think it was a bad decision). Then, Obama stabilized the action by throwing another $15 billion to GM & Chrysler of the initial $350 billion authorized by Congress for the TARP fund available for use. The Treasury Department estimates that about $23 of the $32.6 billion will never be repaid. Oppression?

You mention Obama-care. This will assert federal control (socialism) over health care benefits and financing and establishes a one-size-fits-all health system, and it will centralize America's health care decisions in Washington. If there’s only one thing I know about bureaucratic (that I don’t want applied to my health care coverage) it takes a typical bureaucrat an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes. Socialized medicine.. Oppression?

You mentioned the tightening of rules for the banks and wall street. Chamber of Commerce CEO Tom Donohue criticized the Volcker Rule and pressed Obama not to impose new, harsher regulations. Why? It strangles small business and free enterprise. Hence, the ridiculous unemployment rates because ‘business’ doesn’t trust that Obama is setting good ground rules for free enterprise and commerce. Oppression?

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Menauhant

2:45 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

President Bush and President Obama's decision to support the USA Auto Industry saved a Million+ Jobs so I am not sure why you think it was a bad decision. There are still funds outstanding yes but it is not over yet. The Treasury Department's estimate is just that an estimate. Oppression No! Support for the USA Working Citizenship Yes!

If you think you are oppressed By the Health Care Act getting all citizens fair medical coverage that will not bankrupt you what will you feel like when you go on Medicare at 65? Socialism a little yes but it has been working in the USA for years.

I wonder what Tom Donohue would think if the reform rules necessary to prevent the total collapse of the banking system in the USA were not in place. Look at Canada, small business thrives and the rules for their financial institutions saved them from going thru what we are recovering from. Oppression No! Common Sense Yes!

Regardless of who wins the election on Nov 6 I bet we will see a remarkable increase in lending by the financial institutions to small businesses and any other qualified business or individual that needs one.

Please vote on Nov 6!

mark cool

2:47 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Menauhant - Lastly, you’re right about Obama’s support of gays in the military being able to serve without ridicule. Merits of service should be the Only denominator.

Equally so if being considered for a second term Presidency. Shining a spotlight on the particular claims you’ve cited, the merits of Obama’s performance make him ineligible to effectively perform as our President.

For what it’s worth, Mitt is no ‘savior’ (his MA Governorship paints an apprehensive future). But, by any stretch, it’ll be better than the current administration. Menauhant, The broad strokes of citing Obama’s redeeming values are debatable, but a clearer picture on the Truth-O-Meter scale is essential. Good on you for giving fodder for the examination.

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Rich S.

4:47 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

No president has kept GM and the Auto industry solvent - YOUR GRANDCHILDREN HAVE!

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Mel Cross

8:57 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

Rich is correct obama has sold our childrens futures down the drain.........why should he care he is a millionare and his kids will not have to worry.........he has even set his illegal family members up with benefits that they should not have......good to be the dictator........

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Menauhant

1:55 pm on Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Mel, if you really believe what you wrote: "why should he care he is a millionaire and his kids will not have to worry" why would you vote for Romney? The last time I checked he had more millions than President Obama will ever have and even his grandchildren will have no money worries.

saul glick

6:55 pm on Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Barak Obama, only recently came out for the gays. He did it for the votes. Get it?

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J Mac

8:13 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Wow, you mean to say that Mr. Obama may have changed a previous stance to gain votes.... glad to see someone else noticed too. The Dem machine/mob has scared several groups into voting Democratic. i.e. Women,Blacks,Latinos,Gays,Illegal Immigrants, It is a shameful tactic (creating false fear to garner votes).

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Ed

11:03 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Obama flat out lied to the poor families whose loved ones were butchered in Benghazi. Hillary Clinton looked into the eyes of one family member and told her we will hunt down and arrest the person who made that movie knowing exactly it was an terrorist attack.

This is all being swept aside by the liberal news media until after the election. I find this despicable, absolutely despicable. The poor families deserve to know the truth. NOW!!!

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Menauhant

12:12 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Saul, if what you say was even remotely true (which it is not) why has Romney not done the same? He could certainly use the votes. Of course no one would believe him because he has a difficult time in sticking with his commitments.

Rex Smithers

4:39 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Obama watches live feed of Americans being BUTCHERED in Benghazi. Six weeks later, he tells hurricane victims "We Leave Nobody Behind".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqrJPGmBBMA

DON'T BET ON IT!

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steve auerbach

9:54 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

J Mac, Mr. Obama has been relatively consistent in his views over the years (unlike pathetic Mr. Romney, who stands for whatever the given moment demands). Should he have come out (!) for gay marriage earlier? Yes, indeed, and he was pushed by Joe Biden, but Obama had been moving in the direction of gay rights for some time; he didn't go from one extreme to the other. And he (and the Democratic party) has always been the champion of minority rights- no "scare" tactics involved.
To your earlier comments on Social Security... yes, more people are withdrawing from the fund and fewer people are contributing than in previous times. But that doesn't mean that we should go to the extreme "solution" of privatizing the program. As we have seen, the stock market sometimes dives for several years at a time. Rather, true bipartisanship can better "fix" the problem, if your colleagues would only learn that compromise is how government actually works. Solutions to consider include a gradual rise in the age of being able to receive the benefits, and increasing the amount of income subject to the social security deduction. Why should someone earning 100K pay the same as someone earning 250K? Perhaps the graduated % that is deducted from one's earnings could also be scaled down, if greater incomes were included.
If your beloved "market" were offering full-time jobs with a living wage, there would be less assistance from the government in the form of food stamps. There but for fortune....

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J Mac

1:58 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

O.K. Steve you're right, Mr.Obama and the Dem party have always consistently played the race-minority card over the past 4-5 decades. The only people that are buying this line of crap are the under educated, self righteous , and guilt ridden. As for true bipartisanship, Mr. Obama has been the least willing President ever to work both sides of the aisle.(for an example of a true bipartisan record See: Senator Scott Brown). The truth is Mr. Obama jammed a health care bill that 65% of us did not want down our throats in his first year instead of working on the economy. The Senate and The House wanted to work with The President on that Bill but he would not give them the time of day. When you basically give the middle finger to The Senate and The House in your first year you have just guaranteed that no one will work with you for the next three years,so if there is anyone to blame for GRIDLOCK it is Mr.Obama.

OllieD

11:03 am on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Mr. Glick - Of course, Romney never changed his position for the audience and votes he was after. Well, maybe a few times. Actually, hard to think of a position he has not changed in one way or another.

Mr. Smithers - Please give the source of your claim that President Obama "Watches live feed of Americans being BUTCHERED . . ." I have not read any reports that there were video feeds of the actual killings of the four Americans killed. Just to get it in, Bush lead us into war in Iraq over "weapons of mass destruction" and in the process that exercise cost over 4000 Americans and unknown numbers of Iraq citizens.

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btrot66

1:05 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

And the Iraqis are very glad we came in and removed Hussein. You've obviously never been there.

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saul glick

1:12 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Ollie, Mr BUsh did so, after he got overwhelming approval from congress to do so. Remember Colin Powells presentation to the world, showing evidence of WMD's.

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Menauhant

2:00 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Yes he did get approval but our now President Obama did not give him a Yes Vote. Colin Powell is a General and he follows orders and he was duped by Bush to make that presentation to the UN.

saul glick

1:06 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

o k Menahant, I don't know Romneys position in gay marriage. But I am willing to bet, because he is a deeply religious man, he would be against it.
Obama is for it, for votes and political correctness.
Much like John Kerry stating that he was Jewish, during his campaign. anything for a vote.

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OllieD

1:30 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Mr. Glick - Yes, President Bush did get permission from congress after providing his "spin" on WMDs which, I do believe, were never found! Or perhaps you still believe they are somewhere in Iraq hiding under an outhouse somewhere. Mr. Powell has stated that one of his great regrets was his speech in the UN and the incorrect information he received. A little research will prove this is a true fact if you are interested in facts.

Finally, and again I believe, Romney has changed his position on most everything from being far right during the primaries to being in the center as shown in the debates and most every comment since. If you doubt this, let me know and I will fill up pages on his flip flops. Now they are walking back his earlier statements on FIMA. Love it - every day a different position or no position.

Mr. Btrot - You are correct, I have never been to Iraq. Glad the people are happy with their new government as the country is slowly making its way towards another civil war. Then again, I have been to Germany in the middle fifties, and in spite of what I heard from some Germans, I am glad we went to war against Germany. We might ask those hundreds of thousands of deaths of civilians if they are glad we went to war looking for those missing WMDs.

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Ed

8:41 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Obama is a closet Muslim which are against gays, gay marriage. He only approved of it for one reason, VOTES. Someone please ask Obama about the wedding ring he's been wearing since his early college days. There are to many unanswered questions about this guy.

saul glick

2:19 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

So Ollie, Mr Bush's spin was why we went in. And Colin Powell gets a pass, by saying he regrets his speech.
It sounds like your "spin" in defense of Mr. Obama

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OllieD

3:13 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

No Mr. Glick - I am just giving facts, or do you deny Pres. Bush said there were WMDs in Iraq, or that they were buying uranium from Africa. Does C. Powell get a pass - well, to a degree yes when he states he believed the administration that the talking points given to him were true when it has been proven that they were not. He does not get a pass for being suckered in to being Sec. of State for Bush when the neocons had completely different views of world affairs and a more direct path to the Pres. through Chaney. Darn, the truth does hurt, doesn't it.

saul glick

3:15 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

And to the rest of you out there. If you are still holding Mr BUSH ACCOUNTABLE, how about holding your incumbent President ACCOUNTABLE. How about his college records, like you did to Mr Bush? how about his military record, like you did to Mr Bush? How about no one evens remembers him at Columbia University? How about the incumbants ties to the Hon. Rev. Wright?
I promise you this, if there is a riot next Wednesday after the election, i will be a General on the winning side.

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saul glick

3:39 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Yes Ollie, Mr bush said that. So did Powell, and every Democrat and Republican in congress, who authorized the invasion. Mr. Bush was told by our Military advisors, that there were WMD. And congress, and Powell and the whole world was told.
Is your man ever held accountable for anything?

To simply hold Mr bush accountable is correct, is guess in your view, but he had to act on what Powell and the Military advised him to do.

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Menauhant

10:06 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Saul hate to tell you this but based on your statement of not knowing that President Obama did not serve in the military shows that you should not be considered a serious contributor to this site.

OllieD

3:48 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Bush was never asked for his college records! However, to give you credit, it is really SICK and anti-American that President Obama has not authorized the release of his military records. How could he run for president and not release those records. Mr. Glick, perhaps he has not released his military records because he didn't serve in the military and believe it or not, we don't currently have something called the draft so he didn't have to serve. Oh yes, Harvard always accepts someone into their law program who didn't graduate from College. And most of the time, those people get to be editor of the Harvard Law Review.

See you have posted another response - please state who "my man" is. And, for the record, not the "whole world" believed there were WMPs in Iraq. There were CIA agents who didn't believe it, as there were members of the military who didn't believe it, as there were a large percentage of the population who didn't believe it, including Obama and myself. The facts were clear of one dug a little deeper, did some research and speak from knowledge instead of emotions. Try it, you might find it interesting.

Lastly, are you saying or predicting a Riot after the election. I can only figure there will be one if the Republican's lose as the Democratic party does believe in the democratic concept of this country.

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J Mac

8:21 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Yes Ollie there will be a riot because historically the Dems insight hate and fear for there own selfish purposes. You want facts read a book,start with DEMONIC by Ann Coulter,and tell me who is to blame for derision and racial conflict in the U.S.A. hint: its not the Republicans.

saul glick

3:49 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Ollie. Just play the race card, and bail out. It's all you have left.

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Menauhant

10:07 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

The only two contributors to this discussion that have even mentioned race are Salu and J Mac.

saul glick

4:18 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Ollie. CIA agents, and Military members? For someone who has the facts, that's vague. And your man, is named Barak Hussein Obama. A Community Organizer, who has been given a free pass with the Liberal media, and not held accountable. tis experiment is over, i hope.

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Menauhant

10:08 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Saul what is the point of this post?

OllieD

4:21 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Saul - no need to play any cards as you have failed to address any of my arguments or challenge with backup facts any of my statements. At least you can tell me about Obama's military records. Will give you credit, that's the first time I have heard that one. Only positive thing is coming from Massachusetts, I would guess that your vote won't count for swat. State is going Obama!

Do love political science incase anyone wants to have an "intelligent" conversation with the exchange of solid thoughts.

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J Mac

8:34 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Ollie, Mr. Glick has given plenty of facts, how can you defend the Presidents relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who is a racist hateful person. As for WMD's frankly who cares, those Islamic extremists who our beloved President apologized to will come here and kill any innocent American without a care in the name of some God.I guess you forgot about 9/11, O.K. How about Benghazi?, You can't defend that. Show me facts about that.

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Menauhant

10:10 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

J Mac if you think Saul has given plenty of facts then you are cut from the same cloth as Saul. Garbage in equals garbage out.

saul glick

4:33 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Well ok Ollie. Your man is so confident that the liberal Massachusetts voters will give him the electoral votes, he won't even come here to campaign. He won't even acknowledge the voters, or say "thanks Massachusetts". He is assuming he has the voters vote. THAT TO ME IS HIS ARROGANCE. I don't know what is going to happen, but i would never assune he has won this state. Nor would i assume Mitt has anything won either. And assuming that BHO has won Massachusetts, like youe say, is pretty, well ........no name calling
And by the way, i am voting for the Indian fraud, Lizzy Warren, for reasons i can't begin to explain...
that's it for me...see ya next wednesday

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J Mac

8:39 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Saul, keep chiming in, You are not alone. Please don't vote for Warren, There is no bigger fraud in this years election, we need bipartisanship, love him or hate him Scott Brown has proven he will work both sides of the aisle,which is exactly what we need.

steve auerbach

8:54 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

J Mac, You don't have to say anything more. If you cite Ann Coulter as a source of anything within a hundred miles of a "fact", then it's pointless to have any kind of discussion. (I guess there wasn't any racial conflict while blacks in the South were kept in their place. Why would the Democratic party want to incite (correct spelling) racial conflict when the "solid South" was a Dem. stronghold? We lost millions of white votes by bring up the moral wrongs of the American form of apartheid.)

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J Mac

9:05 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Read the book Steve, and then fact check it, and then we can discuss race in America.

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Menauhant

10:10 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Read the book it is garbage so what is your point?

OllieD

7:42 am on Friday, November 2, 2012

J Mac - using Coulter as a "fact" source is one of the funnest comments I have read in a long time. She is nothing but a book machine, producing books the extreme right loves to read and using her personality to push the books on the media. Surprise you didn't use Rush L. as another "fact" source. I wouldn't waste my monies buying one of her books, however if you want to give me one I will read it and comment on it.

And a comment for Saul - with Obama having a 20 point lead in the state, I believe it is a "sure" deal that Massachusetts will be going for him. What I find enjoyable is how Senator Brown is keeping as much distance between Romney, the Republican party and himself as is possible. And where is Bush? Giving a speech to a group of investors in the Cayman Islands about the advantages of investing off shore. Quite a difference between Bush and Clinton who is still very popular with the American people.

One thing I do appreciate about the conservative Republican voters, that being when ever one gets in a conversation with them on politics, when one challenges their position and facts, they love to change the subject and throw more BS at you.

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